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This is almost like a Quantum State or Paradox at this point.

6:08 not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but it appears to be a 180 degree rotated uncanny valley curve

I hope we see more videos from you. It's nice having more content just calmly covering topics without the usual pseudo-intellectual attention grabbing stuff.

Hey I know it's been 2 years since you last posted but I recently saw the curve for something called the "Gartner Hype Cycle" and found it suspicously similar to the Dunning Kruger curve. I then remembered this video and that you tried to trace the origin of the curve. Did you ever end up looking into this "Gartner Hype Cycle"?

I'm very confident that this video was wrong. I paid perfect attention to the entire thing, and have determined ur stupid

I call it the danningkrüger rollercoaster

"Dunning Kruger" is just a conveniently brief and sciency new name for a very old observation, recorded as far back as the Ancient Greeks if not even earlier. Pedantically nitpicking the Dunning Kruger study does not negate the ancient wisdom which the study set out to measure. For comparison, most people agree getting a direct hit to the head by a bullet fired from an assault rifle usually kills a person, or at least causes serious damage. Because it's obviously true. I am not aware of any formally published double-blind placebo-controlled study which formally "proves" that a bullet to the head can kill. Pedantic nitpickers can jump on that, and claim "there's no scientific proof a bullet to the head will kill you--the idea is pseudoscience!" and then some scientists could do a formal double blind placebo controlled study of the effects of bullets to the head. But nitpicky pedants could reply by going over the study with a magnifying glass and jumping on every unddotted "i" and uncrossed "t" and dismiss it as a bad study. And round and round the debate would go. The point is that science is a set of methods which work well when practiced by people who are acting in good faith and trying to get closer to the truth. When people start treating science as a game in which the object is to nitpick everything ad nauseum for other primary motives (pure ego, "sounding smart", making money, gaining political power) then science breaks down and devolves into endless fruitless debates over the meaning of the word "is"

I feel like the Dunning-Kruger effect measures how one perceives their competence compared to other people at a given time, while the Mount Stupid effect measures how one perceives their competence over a period of time.

Everyone’s a moron in their own way

I made many efforts or maybe little to understand what i want to do truly, at first i thought i am so great, i am putting so much efforts than any other did, then i lost that confidence somewhere and realised that when one of my teacher once said in our class "very few of you will be successful and all others will work under those who are successful" i was feeling like i will be the other one and not the successful one, still now i doubt it somehow but i believe i can do it better than before

Great video. This handles the topic very well. To add some caveat- the curves will vary from topic to topic. Notable aspects that will change the curve from the typical one seen here- how niche the topic is, and if the topic intersects with ideology (e.g. vaccination knowledge- you might even see a Mount stupid with the ideologically misinformed)

5:05 This is a key point. The concepts within Dunning Kruger effect apply to all of us, because we all have varying levels of ability in various domains. I've tried to make this point before to be told I was wrong

I think you missed the whole point. Stupid people are not able to judge when they are wrong because they are incompetent to assess it correctly. Basically they are too stupid to understand they are stupid. The chart is just an illustration, not a proven chart that fits in the population. Socratres said "I know that I know nothing", and with that he proved to be the most intelligent man around. Because you need to understand you don't know something in order to want to learn it. The more you study something, the deeper you get, therefore it gets difficult to acquire each additional piece of knowledge. The beginners tend to learn real fast, because they are learning the easy stuff first, and they tend to assume the learning will follow the same path in the future.

this is a very well made video! boosting for engagement

Men who exaggerate their own competence are more likely to breed.

I would argue that overconfidence/arrogance in the general population explains part of the Dunning-Kruger Effect results, given that the bottom performers, on average, assess themselves as significantly above average. But I agree that that aspect is over-exaggerated.

I usually think of Mount Stupid as applying primarily to people who think that Trump is intelligent and honest.

I am the smartest man alive! PEAK PERFORMANCE!

guys i think im on mount stupid

Well the author fell victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect. The graph of the compiled data is different the commonly used graph to effectively portray their results but, hey I guess this one guy gets it. You could just ask Dunning Kruger yourself.

So we all Dunning-Krugered the Dunning-Kruger effect

Just found this in my feed. The paper written by Justine Kruger & David Dunning should have been called the Kruger-Dunning effect. So perhaps in the beginning the term "the Dunning-Kruger effect" is someone's way to show a tangential concept to that of the paper's 😄

Easy way to bypass Dunning Krueger effect? Live and think based on REALITY and not your delusions.

Well Played.

So the Dunning-Kruger Effect is the bottom quartile overestimating the bottom quartile's ability, and the False Consensus Effect is the top quartile overestimating the bottom quartile's ability.

"One thing I know is that I know nothing." -Socratic paradox "Camus-whoo," I yodel before fading away!

In my stupid unconfident and fairly confident opinion, Incompetent as it may be, In without researching anything other than your video, I can say I feel like this study is not complete. There are so many other factors. Then confidence like age. Overall perception of reality mental issues etc. There is probably a very long, long list of things that could impact the results of this study.. So my take on this is that it is an incomplete study and i'm not buying it. This is a talk to text comment. Obviously i'm not going to pass the grammar skills test

The Dunning-Kruger Effect Effect is the phenomena of people citing things like The Dunning-Kruger Effect to make themselves feel superior.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where individuals with limited competence in a specific domain tend to overestimate their abilities. This phenomenon arises from a lack of awareness about the qualitative difference between their performance and that of others. Essentially, people who perform poorly may mistakenly believe they are doing well. Here are some key points about the Dunning-Kruger effect: Origin: The effect was first described in a study by David Dunning and Justin Kruger in 1999. Their research focused on logical reasoning, grammar, and social skills. Self-Assessment vs. Objective Performance: Participants in studies take quizzes or tests and then estimate their own performance. These self-assessments are compared to their actual results. Domains: The Dunning-Kruger effect has been observed across various domains, including business, politics, medicine, driving, aviation, spatial memory, school exams, and literacy. Explanations: Metacognitive Explanation: Poor performers fail to recognize the difference between their abilities and others’. Statistical Model: People tend to think they are better than average. Rational Model: Overly positive prior beliefs about one’s skills lead to false self-assessment. Consequences: Inaccurate self-assessment can lead to poor decision-making, such as choosing an unfit career or engaging in risky behavior. It may also hinder personal growth. Remember, recognizing our limitations and seeking improvement is essential for personal development! 🌟

These studies show why it can be so difficult working in an office or group setting. When one person truly excels at the work skills, that person's contributions can be routinely under-estimated by far less skilled colleagues who are busy over-estimating their own abilities. And in my own experience, being too skilled or quick or conscientious can actually cost you your job for one reason or another. Another example: let's say one worker produces four times the output of a colleague. Do we think the far more productive worker will receive four times the pay? No, of course not. In most jobs, both workers get the same pay. I could supply many more true life examples from my own work history, but I think we get the point. Thankfully, the highly skilled individual is also likely to create ways to no longer have to work for a boss, which solves all of the above problems.

Human Sciences? Lmao, enjoy my tax dollars

The problem of 'metacognition' confuses me because one 'solution' that I naturally and intuitively apply to being uncertain about a topic yet also unable to asses my own answers...is to assume that I don't know much about the topic unless I have actively pursued it and have some kind of baseline or peer to gauge against

that's ironic

The Dunning-Kruger effect doesn’t apply to me, because I am not incompetent in any area.

i figured this shit out whwn i was eight yrs old 😂

"My ignorance might now be more elaborate" is something I will keep in my personally dictionary, so thank you for that

My father told me that he always right Because if he wasn't, would he have done it? Everything you did, you did because you thought it was good to do right?(watching hentai for 10 hours is not included)

"my ignorance might now be a bit more elaborate" love that quote haha

I encounter a lot of people in real life but also online that feel very confident to make statements on issues like the pandemic responses, vaccination, mental health, addiciton, economics, climate change. And it is glaringly obvious that they have picked up some catchy phrases but never educated themselves, nor have they been thinking things through. They KNOW how little time they invested in understanding it, nontheless they think they can give an opinion on complex issues. Whatever statement they picked up (usually there is a ideological bias) will be told as the truth. Often shoved down your throat. I also noted that when US citizens / residents (usually younger to middle aged folks) are asked questions on the streets (things that you should learn in school). They could of course just say that they do not know or that they do not understand certain terms. One prank was the question: if dihydrogenoxyd should be banned, after all it had caused numerous deaths. The term is stupid, first time I heard it, but it was obvious they meant H2O = water. Not one (of those they chose to show) said: wait, what is that, I have never heard from it. Same when during the Bush admin people were asked if a certain country should be bombed (the country's name was made up) and no explanation was given as to what they allegedly had done. But a lot of people (in that case obviously rightwingers) were all for it. Whatever my president wants. As if in the U.S. you cannot ever admit, that you do not know something. So people (with little education / knowledge) feel the need to fake understanding.

Couldn’t focus on the video, was just continuously trying to figure out if my left and right speakers worked

Such a helpful video, my friend! I am a percussion teacher who works with students for seven years --- starting from absolute beginners in 6th grade through graduation --- and, incorrectly thought Dunning-Kruger applied to beginners (who very commonly get to a point early on where they think they are really good - with little correlation to how good they actually are relative to their experience and even less awareness of their overall skill level as compared to more experienced players). With that said, you also referenced the Dunning & Sanchez "Overconfidence Among Beginners" paper, which I did not know about and will now be reading...and whatever else I find along this new (to me) line of study. Thanks for sparking this new quest for knowledge!

Geez, maybe I should stop eating sand to help with this crisis

4:11 while it has a slight upward trend its kind of interesting how its almost flat? As if people just assume their test score would be at least 60 no matter who you are, and no more than 70, on average. That could in fact be the actual thing going on here, just people assume they are average (or slightly above average really) even if they are exceptionally stupid or exceptionally smart.

High-quality content, thanks ! I'm grateful that you're quoting sources. May I suggest you to add Emma Goldman to your readings ? She wrote some articles (I don't know in which book you'll find in considering the fact that I read it in French) about marriage, in which she criticizes it. She argues that marriage sustains the establish order.

The original Dunning-Kruger diagram shown has nothing to do with metacognition. Metacognition is the student's expectation about her/his grades. This graph is about knowing the knowledge of others. This corresponds to the expectation of teachers about their pupils. What the study aims to show is not what it actual demonstrates. The correct type of study for metacognition should contain absolute paper grades compared with the self-assessed expected grades before and after (!) taking the paper.

Next video: The irony of “The irony of the dunning kuger effect”

My main issue with the Dunning-Kruger Effect is that it seems to suggest there's only one way that people's perception can change with increased knowledge. Namely, I know women (especially in STEM) frequently don't have a Mount Stupid since their Impostor Syndrome drowns it out. There's constant self-doubt that persists from being a beginner all the way through becoming a subject matter expert. Which ironically, knowing about the Dunning-Kruger Effect can worsen, because they assume they would have gotten to Mount Stupid if they were getting better, so they think they must still know too little to even get there.

Wait. People actually thought it was about people and not independent competency? That does sound dumb

to the average person incompetent = stupid. this is not the case, but tell most people they are incompetent they will assume and possibly accuse you of calling then stupid. the Dunning-Kruger Effect chart is still accurately representing the effect. it is showing the difference in proved verses accrual results. low knowledge people have the greatest discrepancy per the study. as knowledge goes to the difference decreases. once a level of knowledge is reached the difference increases again all be it in the opposite direction. the study data ends shortly after the valley. the far right of the Dunning-Kruger Effect chart would be people with doctorates in the topic. students would be expected to be slightly past the valley at best. group - q1 - q2 - q3 - q4 difference - 56 - 24 - 10 - 15 the difference starts "high", drops drastically, then starts to increase again. is suspect this trend would continue is they tasted a wider range on competences levels and would be more clear with individual date instead of groups.

If you think you understand the Dunning-Kruger effect - you don’t really understand the Dunning-Kruger effect